the problem with america is that it needs to be more like america. the reality is we used to have a bipartisan tradition from alexander hamilton, calvin coolidge to ronald reagan who said when it comes to manufacturing base we don't want gross subsidies but practical things, government investment in technology, skilled workforce the right tax incentives, and we're losing that. so we ought to recognize that there is a role, always has been a role in government. not the chinese role but the american role and get back to the basics. >> gavin: andy grove in the final moments, you sat down with andy and he made the case and you made it subtling in i beginning. if you lose your manufacturing you lose your r & d, your design capacity, you lose some of those things that most folks don't fully appreciate. meaning, as the manufacturing goes so goes those other industries of which we continue to believe we dominate. is that the fundamental concern that you're not just losing one industry you're starting to lose the creativity, and that entrepreneurism that defi